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Rock 5

There is no doubt Gov Bill Owens left the conservative bandwagon when he joined the Tinker with Tabor crowd. The only ones who still think he is conservative are the liberals.


Rock 5, how quickly we forget the great things Bill Owens has done for Colorado as a conservative. I am sure that if you were elected Governor you would never have to compromise to get legislation through a house an senate in Demoract control. I am sure that the Democrats would give you everything you wanted because you were a conservative Republican.
Wait... back to the real world, where compromise has to take place to get us closer to the goals that the Republican Party has set for itself. Owens has been a great Governor for Colorado.


I am in no way a big fan of Owens but I give him credit for not taking a head in the sand approach.

The El Paso County Republican Party ought to adopt an ostrich for it's mascot. Owens at least is getting a clue about this. Coloradoans are not feeling a squeeze on their taxes right now, but their lack of services.


Please don't lump all of us El Paso county Republicans together, the majority (over 86%) last time the Gazette ran a poll think Owens is a great Governor, we finally have a Governor who comes down here and pays attention to our issues like transportation which is something Romer never did. Schultheis speaks for himself and this is mainly a ploy for him to elevate himself to run for Cong. Hefley's seat. When he decides to do that he will come running back to Owens asking for his endorsement. We saw how much stroke Schultheis had when he stumped for Schaffer over Coors in last years primary. Pete Coors won El Paso county 2-1 despite all our elected officials (except Hefley and Mayor Rivera) backing Schaffer.


As a true conservative, I admire the Governor and don't at all believe he has left our team.


I believe I understand the Republican side of this - they either a) want to keep their money, or b) don't trust the government to spend it wisely.

I just disagree with that outlook. And most people I know would gladly let the state keep their refund if it means better roads, schools and prisons. Guess you could call it a matter of faith.

The good news is, we'll all get to vote on it later this year.

smarter than you

Person pretending to be Laura Teal - you clearly don't understand TABOR. The TABOR refund will come back next year, beacause the state will collect more than it is allowed to spend. The TABOR reform from HB-1194 postpones the return of refunds for five years, by allowing the state to spend that money.

You can argue about who receives the refunds, but it's a flat out lie to say there won't be refunds for 10, 20, 30 years.


This is not Laura Teal posting. She wouldn't agree to this compromise. I know!

Alva Adams

Take it easy on the personal comments - there's no need for that. I deleted the last two comments for that reason.


If we had school vouchers, this high school would clean up or fall by the wayside.


How ironic this discussion is happening on the "GOP Party Purity" thread. Perhaps the PhaseLine boys can get over themselves, and the Schaffer boys can get over themselves, and we can get on to winning the next election?

Alva Adams

We're going to start blocking people from further comments if this continues. There's no need for this - knock it off.

Alva Sucks

Booooooo! Censor!! Cheat! Facist! Commie!


How will the Study Committee enforce the litmus test? Are they going to oppose other Republicans who run for office? Are they going to restrict party resources from helping non-study committee members? If not why does anyone even care what they think?

Marshall Collins

I guess any Republican that thinks we should have a public higher education system is out. Did the elephants not learn their lesson from 2004? The people of Colorado want representatives that find solutions to the problems we face and don’t just hope the problems will magically go away. Owens and Romanoff put the partisan games aside and found a solution that works for all Coloradoans.

I just keep wondering how much money is going to pour in from Washington extremists like Grover Norquist that don’t live in or care about our state to defeat referendum C which is necessary for our state to continue to prosper.

Put the political labels and games away. Vote YES for a strong Colorado, Vote YES for referendum C (…and D).


blogicus maximus

Actually Marshall, this may be a surprise, but the GOP actually got more votes for the State House than the Dems got. The Dems just managed to win some very close races. Presidential election years have a bump in turnout, that, ceterus paribus, gives the Democrats 3% bump.

Be careful when you say "what Colorado wants is X or Y" the voters are fickle, a lot of factors came together in 2004 and created the Democratic wave that swept Colorado.

I haven't seen great polling numbers for any measure so far (better poll above 60% this far out).

One more thing, when did you quit beating your wife? Not a fair question is it. Don't create straw men, almost no one in the GOP wants to privatize all of higher ed. 23 has more to do with the fiscal crisis than any other issue (look at how K-12 has eaten the budget). We need to fix more than just TABOR, but that will have to wait until next year.


This is similar to Salazar being called a DINO by some Dems for not voting the party line every time. But in the end, most Democrats still would approve of having him over Coors.

And there will be a big chunk of out of state money thrown into this race. And it will may serve to highlight who are conversative and moderate people in the Republican party.

bean counter

blogicus, you're drawing assumptions on only one year of data here.

Yes, the GOP won a majority of the compiled state house vote this year, 51%-49% of the major party vote or 50.1%-48.1% of the total vote. But those numbers are dramatically below normal. In 2000, also a presidential year with the "Democrats 3% bump", the GOP state house candidates won the major party vote 58.1%-41.9% and the total vote by 53.6%-38.6%.

A look at non-presidential years shows similar results - the GOP traditionally wins the statewide vote for house candidates by ten points or more. Last year's 2 point victory was a decided low point for the GOP, caused by a) redistricting and b) a democratic groundswell of an election.

Marshall Collins

If you think the voter approved Amendment 23 is the reason for our budget problems then why don't you get a referendum on the ballot this November to repeal Amendment 23. I would suggest that you personally campaign for this referendum. The voters of Colorado aren’t stupid; they put education first in our state because they know it is an investment that pays huge dividends. What is more important than our children's education that will allow Colorado to continue to prosperous into the next generation?

I don’t really care about partisan politics and who won which race by how much. What I do care about is finding a solution to our budget problems and having a functioning higher education system. If we do not pass referendum C in November it will put our higher education system in a world of hurt.

I find it highly disturbing that Washington outsiders that don’t live in our state and don’t have children going to our Universities want to tell us what is best for our state. I don’t want to be apart of some political experiment of theirs when they don’t have a single clue what is going on in our state and don’t have to live with the results that they are advocating.


John Routt

Jeff Dolan brings up a good question about the Republican Study Committee.
First, I fear that this group will actively seek out the most conservative Republicans to run, even in moderate House districts such are found in Northern Jefferson County. If extremely conservative Republicans run in these races, they will likely lose.
Second, will this group of Republicans disregard County, House, & Senate bylaws by endorsing conservative candidates before the primary? For example, Kent Lambert, the ED of this group is also a bonus member on the State Central Committee from El Paso County. The El Paso County bylaws prohibits bonus members from endorsing candidates before the Primary.
Finally, will this group alienate moderate Republicans by pushing their conservative agenda down the throats of moderate voters?

I am a very conservative individual, however I also realize that to elect a Speaker of the House and a President of the Senate the Republicans first need to have majorities, which may mean supporting a more moderate Republican.

John Routt


John - if you want to start a Moderate Republican Study Committee, more power to you. At least this group is taking initiative.


"Actually Marshall, this may be a surprise, but the GOP actually got more votes for the State House than the Dems got. The Dems just managed to win some very close races."

And this matters how? You LOST.

bean counter

Strider, the point blogicus was trying to make was that Dems didn't carry the state house, but won due to the clever drawing of lines. The GOP received more votes, and that makes it hard to claim that the voters resoundly rejected the Republican Party. Which really isn't something you can argue - the results speak for themselves. We lost because Dems played politics better with redistricting and campaign finance, not because voters rejected us.

But my point in response to Blogicus was that the GOP carried the statewide vote for the legislature by drmatically less than normal. Which means that while there was no resounding repudiation of the republican party, there was indeed a movement toward the Dems, which blogicus was attempting to refute.

Try to add to the conversation for a change, Strider.

John Routt


Unfortunately you did not understand the message I was trying to get accross, which is:

We are not the "conservative" Republican Party or the "Moderate Republican Party, we are just the Republican Party. We need to work together and get all Republicans elected, conservative and moderate, and the sooner that we realize that some Republicans disagree on certian issues, but as a whole the party is moving in the right direction.

blogicus maximus

Bean, I actually have no disagreement with you. There was a definate move towards the Dems, be it from Salazar's coattails, the effects of Campaign finance or whatever.

My main point was that there was no Democratic mandate, and that, as evidenced by your breakdowns, the 2004 election was perhaps a high water mark for the state party, and that in 2006 the gains will be basically impossible to repeat.

My other arguement, Marshall, is that if the Tinker with Tabor issue doesn't pass, the way to sell it next year would be to tie Tabor changes to reforms in 23. I didn't say that education wasn't important (another straw man) what I said was that K-12 funding has eaten up a lot of the State's budget. Higher Ed has suffered from it (there is no way to argue around that). Education should be a priority, but it isn't the only one, I think that the legislature should have more power to set education budgets, and that autopiloting any spending category is a bad idea. Would I campaign for a repeal of 23, yes. I think that me and Jon Caldara and about 3 others campaigned against it a few years ago. We warned what it would do to the budget if it passed. We were right. The whole budget should be done yearly. Autopilioting one category, or two, or three, for five or ten years is a bad idea.

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