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comelegallyornotatall

Too bad the leftist writers that run this site can only focus on trying to stir up controversy regarding Senator Allard's comments. It is a weak attempt at deflecting attention from the real problems caused by illegal immigration. Rather than ask where the outrage is from the Latinos that these elite liberal snobs so insultingly assume are on their side, they should instead consider that what the Senator said was correct, regardless of whose feelings it might have hurt. Take a look at the percentage of our prison population that is occupied by illegal aliens. Ask property owners near the US/Mexico border about the crimes against them and their property committed by illegals flooding into this country, and you will not only get a clear picture of the extent of this problem, but you will also understand why those on the left constantly try to reframe the argument to suit their needs.

Phoenix Rising

But how many of the illegal immigrants in this country do not commit other crimes? There are what, 23 million illegal immigrants in the US? How many of them are in our prisons or even on our cops' radar screens? They are poor and desperate - two conditions that go hand-in-hand with crime rates. I do not expect that they are saints, and they are a problem, but comments like Allards are unhelpful, prejudiced hate speech.

The Progressive and Labor Left both have a focus on the problems of illegal immigration; the solution will never be, as Bob Beauprez says, to just put a couple thousand border patrol officers along the border. They're already there, and it hasn't solved the problem; we have high-tech tracking devices along the border, and they haven't solved the problem, either. Our solutions need to be broader-minded than that. Immigration will be an issue in '06, all right, and Republicans won't be the only ones sitting at the table. But they will be the only ones insulting people who are desperate to help their own families.

LATeach

No one denies that some illegals commit crimes. But many work very hard at low-paying jobs. They can't afford to gripe about overtime pay or working conditions, because they need to hold on to the job they have.
Tina Griego's June 9 column in the Rocky: "Illegal immigrants, untenable choices" tells the story of one family of illegals. There are 23 million stories out there. There are good and bad people in any group, but many of the illegal immigrants who have come here are people willing to risk everything to find a better life for themselves and their children. Hmmm, sounds like the kind of people that built America...


comelegallyornotatall

LATEACH...the kind of people who built America came here LEGALLY. Take a history lesson and stop making excuses for their illegal behavior.

Phoenix Rising

The kind of people who built America came here both legally and illegally. It is an historical fact that few Irish immigrants were illegal - you can't just row a dinghy across the Atlantic and put ashore along some deserted coastline. But just as surely, Mexicans have been in this country since before it was a country, and they have continued both legally and illegally to enter this country since its founding. I'm sure there was a period before ID cards but after immigration limits where Mexicans, French-Canadians, and others continued to enter this land without the proper documentation...

I don't think anyone on this board thinks that illegal immigrants are here legally, but blind prejudice does not a dialog make.

Jake

I am not a advocate on the immigration issue from either side. However, I do believe that the tactic of accusing your opponents of racism is a disgusting practice.

To me the bottom line is this, there are laws on the books regarding immigration. They are not well enforced (at either the federal, state or local level). They should be fully enforced.

Jake

I am not a advocate on the immigration issue from either side. However, I do believe that the tactic of accusing your opponents of racism is a disgusting practice.

To me the bottom line is this, there are laws on the books regarding immigration. They are not well enforced (at either the federal, state or local level). They should be fully enforced.

The leftist writers of this site are racist by suggesting Latino voters in Greeley and Weld County don't vote. If they are legal citizens they do.

LATeach

comelegallyornotatall..
You seem to have missed my point in my earlier comment. I wasn't saying that many of the illegal immigrants coming here now - walking across deserts or in tractor trailers or boxcars, in shipping containers, in inner tubes and rickety boats - are like the people who built America, BECAUSE they come to America illegally. The comparison was based on their willingness to risk it all for a chance at a better life.

Oh, and no-name-guy... It wasn't the leftist writers on this site who said Latinos in Greeley don't vote. It was a Latino former Greeley city councilman quoted in the Post...
"'We could swing any election if we wanted to, but Hispanics don't vote,' said Charles Archibeque, who served on the City Council during the 1990s for two terms."

Phoenix Rising

Jake, I don't think accusing someone of racism is a great tactic, but, then, making insensitive, prejudiced remarks like those Allard made isn't a great tactic, either.

And I agree - we need to enforce our current immigration laws; the Bush administration hasn't fully-funded the border patrol, we don't enforce employment statutes, the list goes on... There is no political will to do these things, apparently; that's not a Good Thing.

Jake

Phx - glad we could agree on something.

Phoenix Rising

If we can get past the ideological policy differences (on both sides), most people really are after the same things, as I wrote yesterday in one of my long rambles.

poli.hack

how does the 'ole saying go? "nature abhors a vacuum?"

if there's an absence in latino political power in greeley right now, chances are someone will be stepping up to the plate shortly (this sounds like a direct challenge for mike stratton). all it took was some decent press coverage...

i agree though, there is an absolute lack of grassroots organizing that specifically targets the latino population in that area and it definitely could have been the difference that put matsunaka over the top.

i think this is a tell-tale sign that the colorado demcratic party needs to look long and hard for a candidate that can best represent this area. (strong in latino and agricultural issues). sorry rep. paccione, you are not it.

FRANK FAJARDO

ME GUSTA

Kaydence

I feel so much hapiepr now I understand all this. Thanks!

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