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Live Free or Die

Where’s Coffman hit it on the head. Holtzman has GUTS. It’s a family trait. I lived next door to his Grandmother when I was a little boy and she had tenacity.

Resolve and determination are characteristics that can’t be taught. You’re born with them and your family can nurture them through example.

As for Holtzman’s first attempt at elective office in Pennsylvania, he was running for what was known as Dan Flood’s seat in Congress. Dan had resigned his seat in 1980 after serving 13 consecutive terms. The district was highly Democrat, and since the collapse of the coal industry, highly dependent on the government dole.

Dan Flood brought home the bacon from DC and the electorate was accustomed to living a government dependency existence. Representative Flood generally won reelection by a 7 to 1 margin.

Flood won his last election by a mere 3 to 1 margin. At the time Flood had 13 felony indictments against him pending in court.

Holtzman had guts to enter the race in that district as a Republican. It was a tough neighborhood and the lessons he learned there got him where he is today.

public record

try founding a multimillion dollar company to stimulate the economy of Eastern Europe, brining Intel to Colorado and being part of the great Ronald reagan camp, all on his own

jon

Whatever the excuse is for the Pennsylvania blow out, the fact it that MH is not a good candidate. He has always been the money guy. He has always helped others.

He is cold and unapproachable. He cannot connect with regular people (because he is not a regular guy). All libel aisde (not slander, Senator) he is just a terrible candidate.

Donald E. L. Johnson

jon,
I know some of his potential supporters worry about his ability to connect. I haven't heard him in a long time, so I don't have an opinion, just a concern.

Senator

jon

very good points. I would say further that while he is excellent in one on one meetings, he is not pollished as a candidate in a group setting. Fortunatly he has ditched the note cards in his stump speech, and he knows his faults. He can only grow up from this point on. Which is why he is the guy to watch. BB is going to run a predictable campaign, thus the fun campaign to watch this year will be Holtzman to see how he overcomes his lack of polish.

Defero Veritas

To answer Mr. Johnson's question... from what I read and hear, Bob Beauprez - who you heard speak this morning and who responded rather forcefully to this blog's Q&A questions a couple of weeks ago - has proven himself as a leader in Colorado and in Washington, DC. Given the issues we face in the coming decade - water, economy, infrastructure, etc - he seems uniquely qualified to bring together people with widely varied opinions and expertise to review the facts and develop workable solutions. How is MH as a leader? There hasn't been a lot of press about that...

As far as where they disagree, that's hard to say. Beauprez has a legislative record and will likely defend his record if attacked. MH doesn't really have a record so he will probably look to move right on every issue where he can, since that's what candidates who have never been elected can do.

As far as the better campaigner, Beauprez can raise the money and is a big hit at Lincoln Day dinners. As for MH, sure he can raise cash but apparently he uses cue cards when speaking...

And finally, endorsements don't win elections but they do give the public a measure of confidence. Having Mike Coffman, Bill Owens, Bob Schaffer and others stand up for a guy this early in a primary says a lot about the candidate they are endorsing.

Sorry for the long post, but Mr. Johnson asked some good questions that deserved honest answers.

Defero Veritas

Dear Senator/ Red Ranger/ From the Desk of...,

You may learn more from your losses, but I want a governor who has actually won a couple of rounds, don't you?

And Live Free - have you ever been on a dairy farm? If so, you wouldn't try to pitch "resolve and determination" as distinguishing characteristics. MH has shown he has them by staying in the race this long, but resolve and determination to jump off a cliff doesn't make one a good leader. He can't expect them to be his competitive advantage...

Senator

Once governor it really doesn't matter whether or not you have won an election. All I am standing up for is the concept that MH has gained legitimacy as a candidate and due to past experiences would be a good governor and leader just like BB would be for the state of colorado. Both BB and MH are great choices for the Republican party and the state alike. Republicans will have a tough choice in August of 2006, and I hope as much information about both will come up, but there is no reason BB is automatically the candidate.

Live Free or Die

DV, I live on a dairy farm.
What's your point?

PS: I slowly crabbed walked down a 1500 foot cliff two days ago while hiking on Mount Washington NH. I bit off more than most could chew but the spirit of General Washington kept me going on the 4th of July.


Resolve and Determination, the Spirit of 1776

Defero Veritas

Dear Senator, I agree with you emphatically that Beauprez should not automatically be the candidate. This is the joy of our democracy that we can have open and honest debate and let the best man win. As Red Hawk just noted above, we're all on the same team here and shouldn't lose that perspective.

Live Free - what a great way to commemorate the 4th. With that sort of determiniation I'm sure you and Rep. Beauprez would get along very well. Enjoy the New Englad summer for us!

Defero Veritas

Dear Senator, I agree with you emphatically that Beauprez should not automatically be the candidate. This is the joy of our democracy that we can have open and honest debate and let the best man win. As Red Hawk just noted above, we're all on the same team here and shouldn't lose that perspective.

Live Free - what a great way to commemorate the 4th. With that sort of determiniation I'm sure you and Rep. Beauprez would get along very well. Enjoy the New England summer for us!

incidentally

I happen to know a little about BB's "dairy farmer" experience. It's a great line in direct mail and in a debate (and certainly on the air as we all know). HOWEVER, if anyone bothers to look into the real record, Bob didn't "farm" cows. He (and this is simply fact, not a slur or otherwise meant to be any type of ad-hominem) BRED cows. Yes, he put bull semen into cows. That was his job, not riding the high plains roping calves. He bred a good bunch of cows, and then sold the family farm to a real estate developer, put his house on the 18th green of what used to be the family pasture, and then bought a bank.

One hell of a "self-made" story, eh?

Holtzman, on the other hand, is the real deal (and a scrapper to boot).

Blahblahblah is right - the Owens/Beauprez machine is in full tilt. Let's just have the vision as a party to elect someone who's actually an intellect. BB's telegenic, photogenic, and gives a good bite, but intellectual prowess is NOT his strong point.

little dog

I think the question of the day is, where is that little dog???

jon

No fair bringing Winston into this. Please, a little respect for the dead.

Live Free or Die

indecently, thanks for the dairy farmer explanation. I'm from away so I had no clue to about that reference.


Holtzman's a scrapper! That doesn't surprise me. So was his grandmother. She played fair but didn't like to lose.

The neighborhood was like Houser Street. Allot of double houses, a few single houses, and 10 foot alley ways between us all.

It was the melting pot. Some went to Yale some went to jail.

jon

If I had cows I'd want BB to inseminate them. Holtzman's hands are too soft to do the job right.

marshall

I think Holtzman should challenge BB to a cow milking contest. How much you want to beat neither one can do it?

And Donald should I warn Claudia that you are in love with her husband?

FOB

Incidentally.
You are right when you say you know a little about Bob Beauprez' dairy farming experience - very little. Bob grew up on the farm, busting his tail every day. The fact that he became recognized internationally for his expertise in breeding pure bred dairy cows is not anything to be ashamed of either. And you are wrong about the development too. Beauprez didn't sell the farm to developers, he developed it himself. And if you'd ever been to Lafayette before the development on Indian Peaks you would know that it changed the entire community for the better. And the story of the bank is well known as well. He bought a tiny, struggling bank that probably should have been shut down and built it into one of the strongest banks in the state. You claim that Holtzman is a scrapper but my understanding is that he was born into an extremely wealthy family and got rich himself through some very controversial transactions in Eastern Europe. I think the more me learn about Holtzman, the less we are going to think he's scrappy and the more we are going to think he just shady.

ziik

I'd love to see Bob milk a cow. That sounds great. Are you listening Marshall?

Most importantly though, hasn't the statute of limitations run out ono calling Owens "America's Best Governor". I mean really. Is there anyone in the world besides Bill's mom that thinks he's America's Best Governor?

Manofthehour

I agree with FOB. Let's know a little about ag before we try demonizing BB. Breeding livestock is a vital part of the dairy industry, and BB deserves alot of credit for becoming an expert in that area.

Manofthehour

I agree with FOB. Let's know a little about ag before we try demonizing BB. Breeding livestock is a vital part of the dairy industry, and BB deserves alot of credit for becoming an expert in that area.

Manofthehour

I agree with FOB. Let's know a little about AG before we demonize BB. Livestock breeding is a vital part of the dairy industry and BB should be commended for being an expert in that area.

candyraver

Incidentally - you're an idiot. There's no nice way to say that. Do your research next time. the farm became known for it's prize herd relatively late in the ~80 year history of the farm, as well as relatively late in the 40 years BB spent on it. Keep in mind, this is a dairy herd of ~500 cattle, meaning these cattle had to be fed, milked, cared for when sick, etc etc....you can't 'breed' cows a couple hours a day for a few years and then cash in. This was BB's grandfather's farm, not a place he owned and paid others to work for him. your sheer ignorance in this area (and ignorance as to your ignorance) would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Luckily i think most CO voters have a bit more sense as to what 40 years on a dairy farm entails.

from earlier:
" The primary difference is that Beauprez has a record of actually accomplishing things as a member of Congress, State Party Chairman, Small Businessman, and dairy farmer. Holtzman's career has been distinguished primarily by him getting close to others who actually accomplish things. In other words, Marc is a professional ass-kisser. "

I'm glad someone else pointed this out - i was beginning to think i was the only person on here that got it.

Canines

The endorsement of Governor Owens sure helped the Republicans maintain a lead in the Colorado legislature, didn't it?

Hey "bylaws"

Neither the Governor nor Bob Schaffer are officers in the Central Republican Committee - and they certainly weren't endorsing on behalf of an entity. They are members yes, but members can endorse.

Nice try though.

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